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I think the love of storytelling is an intrinsic part of human nature, don't you? Long before the written word, ancient people recorded their stories with pictures drawn on cave walls. In many, if not all cultures, those individuals blessed with a talent for spinning imaginative verbal tales were highly esteemed, and the stories they told were passed down for generations. (However, alas, I betcha they rarely earned enough to put food on their humble rock table...) Various kinds of art, including interpretive dance, music, art, photos and films, as well as the written word, serve as outlets that continue to tell our stories today. It's how we communicate. How we relate. How we learn to understand each other, the world, and ourselves.
We can't help ourselves. Especially writers. Almost everything we see is subject to being interpreted through our writers' eyes as a possible story, as an avenue for pursuing another what if. In 1944, psychologists Fritz Heider and Marianne Simmel conducted an experiment designed to explore this phenomenon. Check out their video and see if your mind automatically creates a story from it.
Pretty cool, huh? (Way cooler than a Rorschach inkblot.)We can't help ourselves. Especially writers. Almost everything we see is subject to being interpreted through our writers' eyes as a possible story, as an avenue for pursuing another what if. In 1944, psychologists Fritz Heider and Marianne Simmel conducted an experiment designed to explore this phenomenon. Check out their video and see if your mind automatically creates a story from it.
Time for this month's question:
What publishing path did you take, and why?
I'm tired of the anonymity of being an unpublished author. I crave the anonymity of being self-published. [Tristan Durie]
To be perfectly honest, I'm not familiar with Tristan Durie (Probably because he's still enjoying his anonymity...HA!) but I like that quote.
Not that any concern about being anonymous played a part in my decision to self-publish. I went the normal route for a while... querying agents and jumping through their hoops... sending them synopses of their specifically designated length and the number of pages they wanted me to submit, blah, blah, blah. I even started a blog because so many of them told me to do so to establish a platform. (Now, that I don't regret! Not that I think of you guys as a platform... you've simply become friends.)
In between the querying, synopses and setting up a blog, I submitted a short story to a magazine, and it was accepted. Woo-HOO! Getting that check for eight hundred dollars gave me validation, and made me feel like I really was a writer, but as much as I appreciated getting that money, I hated the way the magazine edited my story.
Then it was back to waiting. Waiting for an agent to give me a green light, and then there would've probably been another interminable wait until said imaginary agent found a publisher willing to take a chance on me. With no advance, of course, because they've kinda gone the way of the dodo bird for unknown writers. Skimpy royalties, too. And if the book didn't do well within the first six months, it'd be pretty much relegated to obscurity. Publishing companies have no stomach for wasting time publicizing a new writer who isn't making money for them. It's sink or swim.
And I thought... Ya know what? I'm too old for this crap.I can relegate my books to obscurity all by myself.
(So far, so good.)
Publishing can be tough. It can kill dreams. [Michael Stackpole]
Yep, constant rejections can cause those dreams to wilt a bit. The sheer number of years it can take before a book makes it into print, assuming one ever gets an agent or publisher willing to invest in your career, can be daunting for a young person, but for someone my age? Nope. For me, it was far better to take control of things myself.
And BONUS: I never have to write a query or synopsis again!
The only rejection I stand to face is from readers, but even though the reviews have been scantier than I would've liked, there has only been one bad review. That, and a one-star rating from some dude in Morocco. (If he read Hot Flashes and Cold Lemonade, I'll eat my hat... and yours, too.)
Self-editing a novel is like trying to put pants on a cat; yes, it's painful and time-consuming, but in the end, satisfying. [Robert Jack]
Hmmm, I doubt if the cat would agree.
At any rate, there ya have it. At this stage in my life, self-publishing is definitely the best choice for me. I have complete control over content, cover, and all the rest. And no high-pressure deadlines!
Life is good.
Until next time, take care of yourselves. And each other.
Broad smiles.
ReplyDeleteI suspect you write because you HAVE to. And this reader is very, very grateful (speaking of which I have finally started Explosive Beginnings - and am loving it). (And yes, there WILL be a review when I finish.)
Broad smiles back atcha.
DeleteI dunno if I HAVE to write... but I definitely WANT to, even during those times I find myself staring at the blank page and wonder what the heck I'm doing. What can I say? Those stories rattling around in my head desperately want me to release them, and I'm a humanitarian... I even sing "Born Free" while letting them go... :)
Great! I'm thrilled to hear you're enjoying the book.
Just keep going and never give up. You write because it's your way of living. Keep breathing and keep going! Hugs, Valerie
ReplyDeleteThanks for the pep talk. I do appreciate it, dear lady. Hugs right back atcha.
DeleteLong before we sharpened twigs and made marks with plant secretions, stories were a part of who we were. A part of who we were to become.As we developed language, some switch in the cortex was thrown and, for better, for worse, we moved into history as story tellers.
ReplyDeleteWe have always been important.
Indeed, storytellers are the whipped cream and cherry on top of life's sundae. (Then again, some of us are more on the nutty side...) :)
DeleteI watched that fascinating little video but no story came to me from it. I've been thinking of submitting short stories to magazines, then I read the magazine edited yours. I didn't know they did that. Also don't know how to go about doing that. In the past magazines would have an address to send stories to, now there doesn't seem to be one, not that I can find in the pages I read anyway.
ReplyDeleteReally? I'm surprised that video didn't inspire you with some kind of story. (You ARE a storyteller, after all...)
DeleteThe reason it's harder to find commercial magazines to send stories to is because they aren't as prevalent as they used to be. There are a number of literary magazines, many of which publish online, but few of them pay anything. The magazine that bought my story is "Woman's World," and they pay very well. Unfortunately, they DO like to edit. (For some reason, they changed every pronoun to a proper noun, and they threw in a bunch of exclamation points. UGH. I HATE the overuse of exclamation points!!!! HA) I don't know which, if any, magazines in Australia buy short stories, but it's worth exploring. Go for it! Maybe you can start with a Google search for "magazines that buy short stories." Dunno. Might work.
The writing world is an entirely different place now than it was when I was first starting out. There are FAR more hungry writers than ever before, and - as you said - book publishers don't want to guide and nurture fledgling writers as they did long ago. It's now all about Big Bucks (capitalized for emphasis).
ReplyDeleteI actually earned a (paltry) living as a freelancer long ago. I forced myself to be versatile and wrote every type of fiction and non-fiction imaginable. I even used a pseudonym and wrote porn. Fortunately numerous editors genuinely liked my work and published my efforts regularly.
Eventually, however, I grew VERY weary of the whole mainstream publishing game: low pay, waiting FOREVER for responses, and usually waiting a year before my submissions finally appeared in print.
I never used an agent. My personal (and probably unfair) opinion is that they are generally useless.
The Internet has radically changed the writing world (not always in a favorable way).
The self-publishing route has done much to encourage some unworthy writers - - but, most importantly, it has given genuinely talented writers (like yourself)a chance to share their work and be heard...without having to go through the maze of red tape and dead ends via the traditional route.
I would encourage all writers to try self-publishing. It's largely a rewarding and satisfying experience (if you have a knack for self-promotion).
I recently self-published "Between Dusk and Dawn", my children's book of poetry - which I just featured on my blog.
Okay, I'm a shameless book pimp - but I couldn't resist.
This comment is rambling and endlessly long - sorry!
Yeah, the publishing world has changed dramatically. I DO, however, still think a good agent can do a lot to improve a writer's shot at success. If my goal were to make a lot of money, I would've spent more time trying to find the right one.
DeleteYes, self-publishing is rewarding, but I most definitely do NOT have a knack for self-promotion. The marketing and advertising side of things sucks all the fun out of it.
YAY!!! Awesome. I can hardly wait to read your new book. You know I love your other poetry book, so I'll be interested in seeing how you tamed that angsty side of your to write children's poetry. Good luck with it!
NEVER apologize for the length of a comment, cowboy. :)
I am absolutely HORRIBLE at self-promotion, and I've always been unsuccessful in any matters pertaining to business.
DeleteBTW - I noticed (in a previous reply to a comment) that you were published in "Women's World". I once submitted some stories to them (with a female pseudonym) and was rejected. That was loooong ago....when I was brash and even a little more crazy than I am now (*smile*).
I'm not good at business, either. I was an Amway dealer for a verrrrry brief time. Problem was, I didn't want to bother my friends by trying to sell anything to them, and I wasn't about to go door to door. (I did, however, sell half a dozen cans of shoe shine spray to my father.) And handicrafts? For years, my friends have urged me to sell some of the things I've created, but I'm much happier just giving them away.
DeleteI bet you could totally sell a story with a female pseudonym. Not brash and crazy... just younger. :)
It is sink or swim. But as I don't even have a boat, I'll stick with my publisher for now.
ReplyDeleteI remember the one magazine article I wrote and was paid for - yes, they do edit ruthlessly.
You've got a terrific writing career going right now, so I wouldn't change a thing if I were you. (Why fix it if it ain't broke?)
DeleteNot ALL magazines edit the living daylights out of a piece. I wrote the cover story for an amateur radio magazine, and they didn't change a single word of my article. 'Course, they didn't pay very much, either...
I like all of these quotes and your story which is similar to mine. We're in control of our writing fate. And while I thought I'd become a publishing sensation, reality has taken hold. And yes, my blog "platform" is not a job, it's fun.
ReplyDeleteKeep writing!!!
Yep, what can I say? Sisters from a different mother...
DeleteYou keep writing, too!
Our passions seldom produce large incomes or incomes at all, but they do give one satisfaction in what one does. Talent with an extra amount lot of luck can bring monetary rewards but that is not always the case. Painters have to paint, singers have to sing and writers have to write. Marketing has now become the more important skill and it is hard, hard work. Enjoy your talent, Susan, and know that you have many people that you have touched with your words and are grateful that we know of Susan Fleet Swiderski.
ReplyDeleteTwo of my grandchildren are enrolled in college and are planning on degrees in the arts. We are concerned but we are also happy that they love what they do and they do it well.
Thank you. Such a sweet thing to say. To touch someone's heart means everything to me.
DeleteI understand the concern. As much as I love the arts and admire the talented people who pursue them, art degrees don't always help in the nitty-gritty job hunt post-graduation. But if your grandchildren are anything like you, they'll thrive.
I think this quote which is the title of your post, "Self-editing a novel is like trying to put pants on a cat; yes, it's painful and time-consuming, but in the end, satisfying." is my favorite. Editing is satisfying in the end, but hanging onto to words that aren't relevant to the story is my specialty. :)
ReplyDeleteOh, yeah. I'm talented in that particular area, too. The scenes we spend the most time on, the ones that make our hearts sing the loudest are all too often the ones that have to be cut. And it's sooooo hard to let 'em go.
DeleteI love the way you put that, because it really boils down to what fits us individually. Life definitely didn't turn out the way I'd planned, and part of that is the change in the publishing industry. It's nice that there are options.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely. I was never a fan of one-size-fits-all pantyhose, and I don't believe in a one-size-fits-all approach to writing, either. Life is a smorgasbord, so why not pick and choose what best suits your palate?
DeleteI can't see how anyone could not make at least one story from that animation. It was cool to watch! I love your last quote, too. Happy September :)
ReplyDeleteThat's because you have a writer's over-imaginative brain. :)
DeleteHappy September back atcha. Here's to cooler temperatures... hopefully, soon.
That animation is so cool! The big triangle is a total bully, and the circle is his little toadie. I wish you happy writing in September.
ReplyDeleteHA! That's along the lines of what I see in that animation, too.
DeleteHappy writing to you, too!
And that last quote is the painful truth.
ReplyDeleteIt sure is.
DeleteHa! That little video sure isn't what I expected, but ya … I began imagining.
ReplyDeleteI know I'm hopelessly naïve, but was shocked that the magazine edited your story, as presented. (Was that in the fine print?) No wonder, when I asked author J.A. Jance, would she ever consider selling the rights to one of her books to a movie producer she replied, "H*** no!"
I, for one, am happy you didn't compromise. Pity the Big publishing houses,
Glad to hear your imagination is in good working order. (But not surprised.)
DeleteI was a wee bit shocked at the editing hack job, too. That magazine, however, had a great love for the almighty exclamation point. Dunno why, but I bet a single issue of that magazine contains more exclamation points than most magazines contain in a whole year. Plus, the editor evidently didn't like my use of pronouns. (Call me crazy, but using the proper names over and over again strikes me as annoying as heck.) Oh well. I was happy for the check they sent me. It paid for my first laptop.
I don't blame your friend. The transition from manuscript to screen generally involves a lot of changes. So much so, the original work is barely recognizable.
Thank you. :)
They escaped! Yay!
ReplyDeleteMy daughter worked for several years on a book; it was picked up by a eBook publisher. But it was a TREMENDOUS amount of work, well-worth it. Kinda like being pregant.
There are a lot of similarities between being with child and being with book. Only difference is, no one would DARE say something unkind about a cute little baby. :)
DeleteI am still pursuing the traditional route but I don't rule out self-publishing.
ReplyDeleteThat video was interesting. My take was that two escaped and the third began to think outside the box (no pun intended, well, maybe a little).
Loved your opening quote and I just bought your new book. I will post a review on Amazon as soon as I've read it :)
Smart lady. If you want to continue the traditional route, I wish you all the best with that, but it's always nice to keep your options open.
DeleteCool! I hope you enjoy the book. It's LOTS different from the first one.
An $800 check from a magazine? Wow. That's awesome. I tried to get into magazine but was not successful. And I sure could've used money like that at the time when I was trying. lol
ReplyDeleteMost magazines don't pay nearly as well, but "Woman's World" is very generous. Check 'em out! Getting that check in the mail is a huge boost to the ol' ego.
DeleteFrom what i gather, if you are a writer, writing is what you must do. Hope you continue to find success, however you define that.
ReplyDeleteIn some ways, writing feels as necessary as breathing, but I'm pretty laid back about it. It isn't the end-all and be-all of my life... just an enjoyable part of it.
DeleteVideo was neat, story there indeed.
ReplyDeleteComplete control is the way, and far far less waiting. Yeah, the cat may take your arm off before pants go on haha Keep on a going and get book 2 out there indeed at your feed.
I'm guessing you could tell a great story based on that video... and it would RHYME!
DeleteYes, sir. That's the plan. Book 2 is progressing slowly, but it IS progressing.
Love the quote! So true! And I went though a similar "too old for this crap" realization. No regrets :)
ReplyDeleteNo regrets here, either!
DeleteI can totally relate to this --> "I'm too old for this crap.I can relegate my books to obscurity all by myself." That was part of my reasoning to self-publish. If I was a young whipper-snapper with lots of time ahead of me, perhaps I would have made a different choice.
ReplyDeletePoor circle. . .it's hard to be different from everyone else.
Yep, but compared to me, you ARE a young whippersnapper. :) At any rate, I think you made the right decision, too, and I predict great success for your series.
DeletePoor circle... think he's tired of hanging a-round...? :)
To be able to write, is such a gift. Congrats on you successes and my you have many more.
ReplyDeleteThank you, sweet lady. :)
DeleteI'm always looking for the magic bullet. I am in the agent holding pattern, waiting for something good to happen. In the meantime, I got a message from a fan who wanted to know what the hold up was, then she added a note to prod me, saying, "Tell your agent that while we wait, your readers are reading someone else." Oh the pain!!!
ReplyDeleteHA! What's that saying... no pain, no gain? Don't worry. When your next book comes out, your fans will jump on it. They're just biding their time with those other books until they can get their next Liz fix. (Is that a thing? If not, it should be!)
DeleteThat anonymity quote is a great one and in most cases very true. Besides not having much money to invest, I'd be cautious with self-publishing and want to plan everything out as best I could.
ReplyDeleteI prefer that fantasy that you portrayed of the agent and publisher doing the dirty work and just collecting the cash. Just a small profit and a book before the public would be a nice start.
Arlee Bird
Tossing It Out
Yep, that quote rings very true, but as far as I'm concerned, there's nothing wrong with anonymity. :) If having an agent and publisher doing the dirty work is your fantasy, go for it! But be forewarned: they'd still expect YOU to do the heavy lifting when it comes to marketing and self-promotion.
DeleteYour post was full of humour and so entertaining. Wonderful quotes. I am now convinced that self publishing is the way to go. Cheers
ReplyDeleteThanks. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
DeleteSelf-publishing may not be the best choice for EVERYONE, but it was the best one for me. Do whatever works best for you.
Cheers back atcha.
I love print on demand, at the moment - love the self publishing freedom and the fact that it costs me nothing! (Bar my life spent writing...) If the opportunity arose I would probably say yes to traditional publishing though - out of curiosity as much as anything. Also, I need to get that review written! Am definitely buying the next book btw :-)
ReplyDeleteAgreed. POD is great... if only there were more darned DEMAND, right? :)
DeleteSounds good. I promise to buy YOUR next book, too.
Lol, YES! And I have written that review - posted on Goodreads and Amazon :-) xx
DeleteTHANK YOU! It's a wonderful review, and I can honestly say, "You made my day!" :)
DeleteYou said it all! You're always good at getting to the heart of a situation. That's why I love your writing! Thanks for taking control and giving us all the opportunity to read your amazing work!
ReplyDeleteYou rock!
Thanks for all the sweet words. You rock, too, and don't you ever forget it. (I won't LET you.)
DeleteHi Susan - love this ... and I watched the video a few times ... lots of ideas came about - some distinctly non publishable! The cat with his pants ... forever embedded on my mind.
ReplyDelete"To write means more than putting pretty words on a page; the act of writing is to share a part of your soul with the world."
Love this quote ... pretty words - I wonder where they come from?!
I doubt if Morocco man read your lemonade flashes ... let alone knows what flashes are ... horrible thought ...
Just ordered your book ... so I'll be seeing flashes, while I drink lemonade and if I'm able to read at that stage I'll be doing that too. Take care and have a good weekend - cheers Hilary
Hi-ya, Hilary.
DeleteI love that quote, too, but I couldn't find any info on who originated it. It's attributed to that prolific writer "anonymous."
No, it isn't likely that fella read my book. It isn't even for sale in Morocco, but in the unlikely event that he traveled to a country where it IS offered, WHY in the world would he buy it? Nope. I'm sure he just doesn't like the title, or whatever. Who knows?
Cool! I'm glad to hear you ordered the book. I hope you enjoy it. Have a super weekend. Cheers back atcha.
Hi, Susan!
ReplyDeleteSo nice to see my cover of OLD BROADS on your blog! LOL. It was a fun time. I feel very similar to you at this point. I am TOO OLD for dealing with agents, queries, etc. I am giving it one last shot ... this time querying to just the publisher ... no agent.. I have tried for almost ten years to get one. At some point we need to move on.
I will try and query my latest WIP because is has great potential. I just may get that agent yet, but for my first two novels, I may just end up self publishing. They are already edited to death and I can certainly do the cover design. I just need the storied formatted. I know a wonderful formatter and I will pay for that service. But not until I finish with the memoir I am working on. Sometime next year I may be ready... we shall see. In the meantime, I am thankful for many of the suggestions and I am glad I stopped by to visit you today. You have some VERY VALID points to self publish. And mainly because I am getting TOO OLD for this TOO! LOL
Hi-ya, Michael. It's good to hear from you again.
DeleteGood luck with your efforts to find a publisher. If you think it has great potential, don't give up! Keep believing in yourself, because you still have a long way to go before you're "too old." :)
Well, I watched the video clip, too, and it's probably a good thing I don't write - I'd start a book as a romance novel and it would turn into a murder mystery and then a horror story...
ReplyDeleteI finally downloaded your book and after I'm done with the one I'm currently reading, I'm pushing aside the other 27 books on my "to be read" list and starting yours!
I dunno. Your romance to murder mystery to horror novel could be a huge hit! You might even start a new "thing" in books. :)
DeleteCool! I can't wait to hear what you think about it, even though it's kinda part romance, part murder mystery, and part horror. HA!
Oh my! The video is hilarious. Lol, but why?
ReplyDeleteUm... why NOT?
DeleteSelf publishing is a way to get your stuff out there. Most of us probably wouldn't see our work in print if we didn't go that route. I'm glad I did, because I learned a lot about the publishing industry by doing it.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. And there's no stigma attached to self-publishing now like there used to be.
DeleteSo much has changed in the world of publishing in the last few years. Self publishing has allowed so many more people get their work in print without having to be at the mercy of a publisher. It will be interesting to see how it continues to change in the future.
ReplyDeleteYou're right. A lot has changed in the publishing world, but more change is probably yet to come. Bring it on! As long as somebody is producing some kinda book, I hope to keep on reading. :)
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